In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.

[Angrboda]

Do you understand what the word 'arbitrary' even means?   Whether I have a problem with either of them is irrelevant to the question of where these morals come from.  You asked where atheist morals come from, and I'm asking you where God's morals come from.  Where, besides his ass, did God derive the morals he advocates from?

It's literally the first word in both commandments.




1 Corinthians 13 ►

1 If I speak in the tonguesa of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Are you suggesting that there is a thing independent of God called love and God gets his morals from that thing? I'm pretty sure it's not coherent to just say that love is a source of morals, but let's wing it. Why are the morals derived from love right? How do we know what love dicates? Jeffrey Dahmer loved killing and eating people. Is killing and eating people then moral?