RE: the god created science argument
September 19, 2011 at 3:36 am
(This post was last modified: September 19, 2011 at 3:39 am by lucent.)
So fucking what! More people believing something doesn't make it accurate or valid. That's not an answer, that's a cop out.
You need to read the question. My answer was a response to the declaration of DeistPaladin that God is shy. God obviously isn't very shy if at least 2 billion people know about Him.
Literally true? Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.
Good luck. Pray really hard and I am sure your Jesus friend will show you how to prove it conclusively. You know him so well, and all.
I could point you to much testimony, video or otherwise, delcaring these things to be true. Would you believe them? There is a point where skepticism is willfully blind. I would ask, if you're a true skeptic, why are you so certain that what I am saying isn't true?
We bottle shit like soda, beer, and dish washing liquid. Real things..
Where is this eternal realm? Who has seen it? Where is the evidence?
Again, I can point you to tesimony. Would you believe it?
Why doesn't God just smite Satan and all his demons? Is Satan that slick that he can cause so much evil all over the world and evade detection? If God is so powerful, why doesn't he do away with all that, much in the way that he created the trillions or more suns in our universe... ya know, with the wave of his hand? It's easier to destroy things than it is to make things, so why not destroy Satan and his crew, thereby removing evil from the world? Doesn't he love us?
I know that if a bully were messing with my kid, I would do something about it. I wouldn't just sit there filing my nails, letting the shit happen. If that's who the fuck your God is, then I don't want to know him. Next time you have one of your little chats with him, tell him I said to get fucking bent. I can't stand lazy, shitty parents.
In actuality, Satan, while he is the primary source of evil, doesn't actually cause anyone to do evil. Satan isn't responsible for the evil in the world, human beings are. Satan tempts, but people choose. He devises schemes, and people willfully execute them. God allows Satan to exist because He gives people the choice between good and evil. If they prefer sin and Satans wicked schemes, they will earn his reward, eternal punishment. If they prefer truth and the righteousness of God, they will receive Gods reward, eternal life. Everyone reaps what they sow. This isn't about evidence, it's about what kind of person you are. The evidence will come according to your moral choices in life. Even then God is merciful and is patient, desiring everyone to come to repentance. Only unrepentant sinners ultimately go to hell. It isn't because God wasn't plausible, it is because they preferred evil, and God rewarded them according to their choices.
The problem is sin. If you've ever lied, cheated or stolen anything, lusted, hated, blasphemed etc, you are guilty of it, and the penalty of sin is death. The good news is, Jesus already paid that price on the cross. And even if it was just you, He would have done it. He took our just punishment upon Himself so we could be declared not guilty. He tasted death for all so we could receive eternal life. God isn't sitting back. He took direct action in this world so everyone could be saved. It's just up to you how you respond to it.
So fucking what! More people believing something doesn't make it accurate or valid. That's not an answer, that's a cop out.
Dreams, visions, miracles. How nice. Science, which is based on objective reasoning, logic, facts, physics, and reality says all of that means absolutely nothing. Imaginations running wild, influenced by nothing more substantial than the power of suggestion.
Literally true? Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.
Good luck. Pray really hard and I am sure your Jesus friend will show you how to prove it conclusively. You know him so well, and all.
We bottle shit like soda, beer, and dish washing liquid. Real things..
Where is this eternal realm? Who has seen it? Where is the evidence?
Why doesn't God just smite Satan and all his demons? Is Satan that slick that he can cause so much evil all over the world and evade detection? If God is so powerful, why doesn't he do away with all that, much in the way that he created the trillions or more suns in our universe... ya know, with the wave of his hand? It's easier to destroy things than it is to make things, so why not destroy Satan and his crew, thereby removing evil from the world? Doesn't he love us?
I know that if a bully were messing with my kid, I would do something about it. I wouldn't just sit there filing my nails, letting the shit happen. If that's who the fuck your God is, then I don't want to know him. Next time you have one of your little chats with him, tell him I said to get fucking bent. I can't stand lazy, shitty parents.
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You need to read the question. My answer was a response to the declaration of DeistPaladin that God is shy. God obviously isn't very shy if at least 2 billion people know about Him.
Literally true? Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.
Good luck. Pray really hard and I am sure your Jesus friend will show you how to prove it conclusively. You know him so well, and all.
I could point you to much testimony, video or otherwise, delcaring these things to be true. Would you believe them? There is a point where skepticism is willfully blind. I would ask, if you're a true skeptic, why are you so certain that what I am saying isn't true?
We bottle shit like soda, beer, and dish washing liquid. Real things..
Where is this eternal realm? Who has seen it? Where is the evidence?
Again, I can point you to tesimony. Would you believe it?
Why doesn't God just smite Satan and all his demons? Is Satan that slick that he can cause so much evil all over the world and evade detection? If God is so powerful, why doesn't he do away with all that, much in the way that he created the trillions or more suns in our universe... ya know, with the wave of his hand? It's easier to destroy things than it is to make things, so why not destroy Satan and his crew, thereby removing evil from the world? Doesn't he love us?
I know that if a bully were messing with my kid, I would do something about it. I wouldn't just sit there filing my nails, letting the shit happen. If that's who the fuck your God is, then I don't want to know him. Next time you have one of your little chats with him, tell him I said to get fucking bent. I can't stand lazy, shitty parents.
In actuality, Satan, while he is the primary source of evil, doesn't actually cause anyone to do evil. Satan isn't responsible for the evil in the world, human beings are. Satan tempts, but people choose. He devises schemes, and people willfully execute them. God allows Satan to exist because He gives people the choice between good and evil. If they prefer sin and Satans wicked schemes, they will earn his reward, eternal punishment. If they prefer truth and the righteousness of God, they will receive Gods reward, eternal life. Everyone reaps what they sow. This isn't about evidence, it's about what kind of person you are. The evidence will come according to your moral choices in life. Even then God is merciful and is patient, desiring everyone to come to repentance. Only unrepentant sinners ultimately go to hell. It isn't because God wasn't plausible, it is because they preferred evil, and God rewarded them according to their choices.
The problem is sin. If you've ever lied, cheated or stolen anything, lusted, hated, blasphemed etc, you are guilty of it, and the penalty of sin is death. The good news is, Jesus already paid that price on the cross. And even if it was just you, He would have done it. He took our just punishment upon Himself so we could be declared not guilty. He tasted death for all so we could receive eternal life. God isn't sitting back. He took direct action in this world so everyone could be saved. It's just up to you how you respond to it.
(September 19, 2011 at 2:46 am)aleialoura Wrote: [quote='lucent' pid='180480' dateline='1316407143']
Shy? You've got over 2 billion people in this world who profess a faith in Jesus Christ. I wouldn't say He is keeping Himself a secret.
So fucking what! More people believing something doesn't make it accurate or valid. That's not an answer, that's a cop out.
Quote:As far as open demonstrations of power, Jesus said that the last sign that would be given to the world until the very end would be His resurrection from the dead. There are many signs, though. What you have today is many people coming to the faith by dreams, visions and miracles, in countries all over the world. God isn't hiding..He told us what it would take to know Him..it is literally true that you can't know God unless you know His Son.
Dreams, visions, miracles. How nice. Science, which is based on objective reasoning, logic, facts, physics, and reality says all of that means absolutely nothing. Imaginations running wild, influenced by nothing more substantial than the power of suggestion.
Literally true? Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.
Good luck. Pray really hard and I am sure your Jesus friend will show you how to prove it conclusively. You know him so well, and all.
Quote:As far as trying to put God in a bottle..God exists outside the Universe, in an eternal realm.
We bottle shit like soda, beer, and dish washing liquid. Real things..
Where is this eternal realm? Who has seen it? Where is the evidence?
Quote:There is no way to get from here to there unless God takes you there.
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How convenient.
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"Ghosts", and all of those different spirit manifestations are demons. Satan doesn't want the world to know he exists because it is much easier for him to work that way. He is actively evading detection. So, in either case, the supernatural realm is inaccessible by normal means.
Why doesn't God just smite Satan and all his demons? Is Satan that slick that he can cause so much evil all over the world and evade detection? If God is so powerful, why doesn't he do away with all that, much in the way that he created the trillions or more suns in our universe... ya know, with the wave of his hand? It's easier to destroy things than it is to make things, so why not destroy Satan and his crew, thereby removing evil from the world? Doesn't he love us?
I know that if a bully were messing with my kid, I would do something about it. I wouldn't just sit there filing my nails, letting the shit happen. If that's who the fuck your God is, then I don't want to know him. Next time you have one of your little chats with him, tell him I said to get fucking bent. I can't stand lazy, shitty parents.
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