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Ask the Christian
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RE: Ask the Christian
(September 17, 2011 at 3:36 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Fat chance Dar, it was one of the questions nobody ever tried to answer on my way to becoming an atheist. It's always fun to watch them squirm though!

The most mind-boggling stupid answer I received to that question was that "God created you in the hope you would come to him of free will."

(Facepalm)

Yeah, but if he's the omni-max god xtians claim him to be, he KNEW that I wouldn't, and that he would cast me into hell.

How can an omni- god hope for something he has to know will never happen?

The only conclusion I'm able to draw is that "god" cannot be omniscient, omni-benevolent, omnipotent, and have given humanity free will. It's a logical impossibility.
(September 17, 2011 at 8:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: As only God has knowledge of our destiny, I hope you can see that our choice is unhindered.

Your god is supposedly omniscient, as you allude to here, as well as omnipotent.

Let's look at a hypothetical. I'm walking down a path. I reach a fork in the path. I can choose to stop where I am, turn around and go back, take the right fork, or take the left fork.

As your god is omniscient, he has known for all eternity that I will take the left path. If your god is also omnipotent, it is a logical impossibility that I can take any action that would invalidate his omniscience.

Am I really free to make a choice here?

P.S. The only logical answer is "No".
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