(August 28, 2018 at 3:42 pm)SteveII Wrote:(August 28, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah, LadyForCamus, how dare you assume who will god send to hell based on the Bible, like verses:
Galatians 2:16
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:28
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 3:18, 36
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
When you should have gone with not what is actually in the Bible but what SteveII wants it to be in the Bible.
On more nuanced subjects regarding Christianity, I check your posts to see if it is possible someone might think you have a point. That could be the case here, so let me correct that now.
When I say that people go to hell because their sins have not been atoned for--that is the correct/precise/plain/simple reason. You could ask how one gets that atonement--then you would find verses like those above. Jesus is the actual atonement that one needs to have their slates wiped clean.
Excellent post above. However there are some groups that believe in works based salvation which is a large part of why the Reformers left the Catholic Church. If I where to get into a nuanced discussion of this theology, I would say that it is not by works at all, and that when people say that belief is not just an intellectual acknowledgement, for even the demons believe. What they are talking about is that you need to have Jesus as Lord, in order for him to stand for them. But there are those who think that being a good person and following Jesus’s teachings will get them into heaven. For them these issues or questions would seem to still apply.
It is interesting, I only briefly glanced at the scriptures posed to you here. I assumed that they where about works. But they seem to support what you are saying. However they appear to be posed against it.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
