(September 19, 2011 at 10:35 am)Cinjin Wrote:It seems that the question is actually what do you use as a standard against which to judge whether you should restrain yourself (in your example) and how is that standard arrived at?(September 17, 2011 at 2:11 pm)little_monkey Wrote: To theists, not believing in god means you are free to steal, rape, murder, etc. It is beyond their capacity of understanding that anyone can have a moral compass and be an atheist at the same time. Any attempt to make them understand this simple concept to their single digit IQ will turn out to be futile.
Agreed. They cannot (or possibly will not) understand the concept of self-accountability. They don't believe humans capable of a little self-restraint and self-imposed regulation. Possibly because their fear of god is the ONLY thing keeping them from committing wanton vile acts upon humanity, and in reality, they are the REAL demon to be feared - projecting all their hidden desires onto non-believers. Much like a father who is overly possessive of his daughter and her boyfriends because he himself has a devious mind and has treated his own past female conquests with disrespect.
Why are Christians not controlled by sinful behaviour? Because they have a new nature - opposed to sin. No longer slaves to sin.
To suggest that Christians never sin, is not true and on the basis of that deserves hell. People are however saved by grace and thus not based on our compliance with "rules" which we all break - basically all the time as it is not a set of outward/behaviours but also what we think.
Your claims about projection is somewhat removed from reality. As I stated before, we all sin. You sin, I sin and it is not for me to condemn you. Your sin is no worse than mine. When a person is however saved, it is purely by grace and nothing that he/she can boast about.
To claim that all atheists are bad, is also not true. There are many wonderful, generous and kind atheists, no doubt. If our salvation was based on works, many (all) Christians will not make it into heaven as would all atheists, whether generous or not. But because our salvation is by grace and not by works, all that accept the finished work of Jesus on the cross and trust in Him for salvation, will be saved. As an example, consider the criminal on the cross next to Jesus. Not by the looks of it deserving of eternal life. However, Jesus told him that he will be with him in paradise.