RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 30, 2018 at 11:51 am
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2018 at 11:53 am by polymath257.)
(August 30, 2018 at 11:04 am)SteveII Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 9:18 am)polymath257 Wrote: Again, I don't see the logic. Why would we not be able to experience happiness even if disembodied? Why would it be excluded simply because we are removed from the 'pure' version?
Why would we not be able to experience intellectual stimulation? be able to think deeply about various concepts?
If hell is is simply being separated from God, I fail to see the negative side. If it is torture, that simply makes the creator evil. Either way, 'furthest from Him is best'.
What?!
Forget the "pure version". If you don't have a body, you do not have inputs. You don't have outputs. You will not experience anything but contemplation. How in the world could you experience happiness!? That would be torture after like a day or two--not to mention years. That is to say nothing about whatever effect the total removal of God's presence would have on your soul--which you would not have experienced to that point--so who knows what that would be like.
How is not experiencing anything but contemplation a torture? Happiness is an *emotion*. if I can experience pain and suffering (without inputs, mind you), i clearly would have the ability to experience emotions.
Why would 'total removal' from God's presence be any different than the life I have right now? I see no evidence of this deity. I see no reason to believe in this deity. And yet I am perfectly happy without this deity being involved in my life.
(August 30, 2018 at 11:21 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 11:05 am)Kit Wrote: The existence of the soul is as much a delusion as the existence of god.
What's up with you saying every religious notion is delusional? Why can't we just be wrong?
There may well be religious notions that are not delusional, but they are few and far between and I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Being wrong and persisting in belief in spite of the error being pointed out is delusion. So, someone that has a religious belief that is able to learn and thereby reject it would simply be wrong. But that is rare.
