Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[bennyboy]

It's a problem because bigoted nitwits rely on factually incorrect information to reenforce their existing douchebaggery.  Again, Benny, The Real Problem™ of racism..is racism.

A related problem is when non bigoted nitwits rely on their factually incorrect information to normalize those assholes racism..unintentionally, ofc... and then pretend that they're being intellectual when engaging in conversations like these............

I'm doing all the work here. If something is intrinsically problematic, show how. If the problem is related to some cherished value, define it. I think you answered my question, and it is on that basis that I'm trying to understand the position.

Right, and that's the essence of the social contract-- you extend protections, because when you're in front of the firing squad, you will have a reasonable expectation that they'll stand up for you, too.

I think the insistent racism in the south very much stems very much from the fact that their participation in the social contract as outlined in the US constitution was made under duress-- they fought against that contract, lost, and the contract has been imposed on them, and enforced by the federal government.  They are stuck 100 years in the past.  Would you say that's a fair description of the current situation as they see it?

How does that account for racism in the yankee north?  But..yeah, sure, alot of southerners play with the Lost Cause interpretation of the civil war, which is another  (and one of the first) example of the normalizing propaganda of white supremacy..and how we ended up with all of those confederate statues in the south.  Truth is, most of the guys who fought in the confederacy didn't own a fucking slave..and they sure as shit weren't fighting for that cause themselves.  They could be killed by union soldiers or killed by confederate soldiers as negro sympathizers.  They got fucking had, too.

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[I kind of just went off on what I was thinking about doing, not really answering your last post very well-- I'm off to work, but I'll try and clean up some loose ends tonight.]


I think the general perception over almost the entire world is that black people are savage and untrustworthy. Certainly, the populations of most Asian countries will say so, and quite unapologetically.

The next questions would be-- is it a fact that there are racial differences, or is it due to cultural or economic conditions? Or is it simply just a big fat lie, common in almost all regions of the world? Or am I making shit up, and nobody thinks that at all, and I'm just pulling it out of my own racist ass?

In some metrics, black people at least in the US, clearly ARE inferior-- in average IQ scores for example. Then we have to ask why-- is it because the IQ tests are biased toward white participants? Or because socioeconomic conditions lead to bad education? Or because of differential intelligences (intellectual tasks vs. social skills vs. physical intelligence), and only a narrow range of those being tested?

And then, we have to ask-- EVEN IF there are actual racial differences, should it matter at all with regard to rights of citizenship? I'd certainly argue not.

Please note that all of this is quite explicitly racist. But when you look at a lot of correlations, you see that being black correlates with IQ, with crime, with poverty, with certain diseases, and so on-- it's quite the cluster of correlations. And it's easy to see that any one of these could have a causal effect on the others or that they could feed off of each other in nasty ways-- and knowing which causes which (or whether it's a vicious circle) matters when it comes to actually deciding how to solve the problem-- with more than lip service, but with steps intended actually to get to the root of the problem.