RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 31, 2018 at 3:14 am
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2018 at 3:19 am by Aroura.)
(August 31, 2018 at 3:03 am)Kit Wrote:(August 31, 2018 at 3:02 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Hey, you get back what you put into a discussion with another human being. It’s not about emotion. I’m merely pointing out the demonstrable fact that if you are looking to change someone’s mind about their religious beliefs, calling them mentally ill is not going to get you over your goal line, lol.
Because logic has worked so well on the religiously minded who display delusional tendencies through their beliefs.
Guess what? I became an atheist around the age of 33. I did have questions before, and I would say my journey started around age 13 or 14, but I didn't get over that final hurdle by being insulted. It was by years of gentle and patient discussion with another atheist (among other things). One who rarely went for the throat, and siply tried to get me to think.
There are a lot of deconverted theists on this site. Logic can and does work. People are leaving religion in droves (and not because some random Joe insulted them on the internet).
(August 31, 2018 at 3:09 am)Kit Wrote:A truth can still be an attack (or an insult). You are using a false dichotomy. Attacks, insults, etc. and truths are not mutually exclusive.(August 31, 2018 at 3:04 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Well, if all you’ve got left in your bag is verbal attacks, maybe you need to take some time to re-pack your tool kit.
And you're misusage of what constitutes "verbal attack" is not in any way logically convincing.
(August 31, 2018 at 3:08 am)Aroura Wrote: It does not negate the fact that calling someone something hurtful (true or not) is counterproductive to discussion.
There can be truths that you can learn to phrase differently or in a more productive way.
For instance, if a person is being a retarded asshole, simply calling them that (even though it is true) is unlikely to cause the change in behavior I'm looking for, and will probably actually cause them to double down.
Don't attack. Discuss.
We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point.
Calling a delusional person delusional is not an attack. It is referring to the truth.
Would go up to a person with an IQ of 70 and call them a moron? Or would you consider that an insult (even though it is also technically true)?
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