Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church

[possibletarian]

Some women choose not to call themselves victims in situations like this. Maybe she doesn’t feel it was inappropriate. In that case you’re choosing to define for another adult what touching is and isn’t inappropriate.

Okay let's try this again, what do you think Ariana Grande could say that would make it appropriate ?

Once again, I feel it was inappropriate. So do many others, obviously. But it’s not really my place to decide.

But you already have, the fact that you hide behind 'it's not for me to decide' does not alter the fact you have already deemed it inappropriate.

That’s sort of like if an incident happened at a party where a girl felt she was sexually assaulted. Can you be the one to decide she wasn’t? I mean, unless it’s a flat out fabrication, a girl saying she was sexually assaulted means it happened. You can’t decide that for another human being.

Yes, but how does this relate ? This is not a matter of opinion, if people saw what happened (in this case a world audience) then the matter is put beyond opinion.

You are expressing YOUR view but you can’t express the views of others for them.

Well yes, i suspect if I lived in a world where touching women on their private parts was the norm and not frowned upon and women agreed, then I would clearly be out of step. However we no longer live in a world where such touching is appropriate (neither do you) so again, what could Ariana Grande say do you feel, that would make this appropriate ?

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So who is she?  I don't feel like googling it.

Don't feel bad, I had not heard of her before the Manchester bombing.
https://www.arianagrande.com/