Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[bennyboy]

I'm still waiting for that link to the 10% heritability of IQ.  Because if it's true, then almost the entire problem in the US is that we haven't bothered to provide black kids with a good enough environment.

Yeah, it's almost as if segregation and systematic institutional racism don't provide adequate opportunity for learning the types of skills that IQ tests measure, or something.

We -could- solve it....but then again, black poverty is inevitable so why would we waste our time.  They should stop being lazy and Git Productive - that would fix everything.  I said bale that cotton boy, not hug it.



We could go even further down the rabit hole, though, and point out that even saying "race and iq" is ignorant from the outset..it flew 70 years ago but now we talk about genetics and IQ, and the funny thing about that is that race is kind of silly in context.

. . . still waiting for you to cite that source.

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Yeah, it's almost as if segregation and systematic institutional racism don't provide adequate opportunity for learning the types of skills that IQ tests measure, or something.

You're saying what I said, right up front, when I introduced the demographic numbers on IQ.  I'm perfectly open to evidence that it is lack of educational opportunity that is mainly responsible for IQ differences.

In some metrics, black people at least in the US, clearly ARE inferior-- in average IQ scores for example. Then we have to ask why-- is it because the IQ tests are biased toward white participants? Or because socioeconomic conditions lead to bad education? Or because of differential intelligences (intellectual tasks vs. social skills vs. physical intelligence), and only a narrow range of those being tested?

And then, we have to ask-- EVEN IF there are actual racial differences, should it matter at all with regard to rights of citizenship? I'd certainly argue not.

Yeah, I'm practically just repeating the white supremacist mantra here, hey?  Because those guys always like to open the door to multiple possibilities that would discredit their interpretation of the data?

Seems legit.

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What cracks me up is that some of what benny says isn't even that bad, and even makes sense, but because he generally trends toward the "baddie" side of the political spectrum, he's quickly lambasted for everything he says. We all bring so much of our prior interactions with each other into every conversation. It's interesting to watch. By interesting, I mean it's like watching paint dry, which is not to say I'm not guilty too.

The sad thing is that I consider myself solidly left of center.  I'm fully for gay marriage, pro-choice, better welfare, affordable health care, anti-gun.

I just don't happen to think that truth can be created by an ideological narrative, no matter how well-intentioned.  No good outcome will be the result of a fairy tale that neglects to inform itself through a careful collection of facts.