RE: 3 simple points to end the discussion with any Sunni/Shiite
September 13, 2018 at 2:26 am
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2018 at 2:34 am by WinterHold.)
(September 12, 2018 at 6:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 12, 2018 at 3:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Here's the whole point: the Hadith books were never held as a revelation from God; rather they are "the recording of Mohammed's sayings after more than a century after his death".
All Muslims believe 100% that the Quran is the word of God, it's the special case. But the Hadith is not.
A person who wants to resort to Hadiths, is a person who is resorting to man's word, with the admission of all Muslims.
Professional tip: the Quran isn't from God either. (And for what it's worth, the Quran states that Mohammed's conduct is an example of right belief, so indirectly it does sanction the hadith.)
Mohammed -Peace be Upon Him-'s conduct is the following of God's command.
This verse says so:
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2/285
Sahih International
(285) The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."
Mohammed believed in what was revealed to him from his lord; and what was revealed is the Quran, not the Hadith books.
So following the example of Mohammed means what was mentioned in this verse: believe in the Quran (what was revealed to Mohammed from his lord) and any ancient holy books that weren't forged. Sadly in today's time, nothing remains untouched but the Quran.
(September 12, 2018 at 11:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:Is the Hadith the word of God, or the narrations that might be correct or false?Is the quran the word of god, or the narrations that might be correct or false?
Islam strongly says that the Quran is the revelation of God on Mohammed -Peace be Upon Him-. This is the core leap of faith and the first one actually for 100% of Muslims.
(September 13, 2018 at 12:19 am)Bob Kelso Wrote:(September 12, 2018 at 8:22 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 3-Show him that Sunni Islam and Shiite Islam are perfect religions for any dictator.
The same could be said of Islam in general (and any Abrahamic religion for that matter) and beyond.
Thoughts?
Example?
The Quran has this explicit order from God:
Quote:https://quran.com/2/256
Sura 2, The Quran:
Sahih International
(256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
First thought that pops into my mind: how to be a dictator, when your God officially tells you that dictatorship and compulsion are forbidden; dictated in Sura 2 Verse 256 ??
