(September 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(September 13, 2018 at 2:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: Define physical? objects subject to the laws of nature (deterministic). Conscious reasoning and a decision to act seem the very opposite of deterministic.Why? What are logical forms and means of inference if not a description of deterministic relationships between knowledge statements?
If, then. If, and if, then, therefore. If some x meets conditions a, and then meets condition b, then outcome c. If not, then not outcome c.
What are you talking about? Logical forms are subject to the rules of logic--not nature. Gravity, conservation of energy, and weak nuclear forces have no effect on them.
Quote:Quote:Non-physical consciousness is not only plausible, it is quite intuitive.Is it?
Quote:We experience the thing every minute that you are denying.Do we?
Quote:A computer program is a bad analogy because computer programs do not think about something and then decide something based on preference or altruism or aesthetics or moral concerns or moods or all of these or none of these. Your conclusion that there is nothing non-physical in the universe is not only unproven, but may actually be unlikely.Can you demonstrate that, or..conversely, can you demonstrate that we do those things a fundamentally or meaningfully different way than a computer does some other thing?
Yes. We hold people responsible for their actions and we don't hold computer programs responsible. We act like we are fundamentally different within our mind and in relation to one another. That meaningful enough for you?