RE: 3 simple points to end the discussion with any Sunni/Shiite
September 16, 2018 at 1:00 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2018 at 1:03 pm by WinterHold.)
(September 16, 2018 at 7:54 am)Jehanne Wrote:(September 16, 2018 at 2:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The view of Hippocrates shows that there were opinions other than spirit haunting circulating. Moreover, the charges against Mohammed by his criticizers incliude:
1-insane
2-liar
3-magician
4-warlord
5-epiliptical
6-child rapist
The list above is more of a stream of insults by a mob if you ask me..not an authentic conclusion from the reading of history.
Eventually this man was the starting point of a religion that has more than 1 billion followers, and they're increasing day by day.
Twice nothing is still nothing. Or, for that matter, a billion.
I see Mohamed as being on par with Attila the Hun. Yes, he was famous, but for all the wrong reasons, some of which you list above. General George Sherman was a great Union general, but that does not change the fact that he was also a (unprosecuted) war criminal.
Attila started as a warlord and died with a similar legacy, it's very wrong to say the same thing about Mohammed peace be upon him.
Mohammed was a reformer for the ancient Arab society, unlike Attila who fought as a "barbarian".
The reforms Mohammed did to the society of Medinah -his capital city- was revolutionary in every aspect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina
Quote:One of the constitution's more interesting aspects was the inclusion of the Jewish tribes in the ummah because although the Jewish tribes were "one community with the believers", they also "have their religion and the Muslims have theirs".[18]
L. Ali Khan says that it was a social contract derived from a treaty and not from any fictional state of nature or from behind the Rawlsian veil of ignorance. It was built upon the concept of one community of diverse tribes living under the sovereignty of one God.[19]
It also instituted peaceful methods of dispute resolution among diverse groups living as one people but without assimilating into one religion, language or culture.[20] Welch in Encyclopedia of Islam states: "The constitution reveals Muhammad's great diplomatic skills, for it allows the ideal that he cherished of an ummah (community) based clearly on a religious outlook to sink temporarily into the background and is shaped essentially by practical considerations."[21]
Tom Holland writes, "The Constitution of Medina is accepted by even the most suspicious of scholars as deriving from the time of Muhammad. Here in these precious documents, it is possible to glimpse the authentic beginnings of a movement that would succeed, in barely two decades, in prostrating both the Roman and the Persian Empires".[22]
I don't see Attila doing that, I think it's a very very wrong comparison on your behalf to compare an outlaw barbarian with Mohammed peace be upon him; especially after we learn about how noble and peaceful he was.
(September 16, 2018 at 12:27 pm)SaStrike Wrote: This might work OP. Since logic hardly ever works on theists, might as well try nonsense and see if it ends discussions.
It's never directed to you; this is a public forum and there are visitors and other members who read silently you know.
(September 16, 2018 at 12:48 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(September 16, 2018 at 2:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-insane
2-liar
3-magician
4-warlord
5-epiliptical
6-child rapist
The list above is more of a stream of insults by a mob if you ask me..not an authentic conclusion from the reading of history.
Eventually this man was the starting point of a religion that has more than 1 billion followers, and they're increasing day by day.
All pretty common for a godman.
2/4/6 are what an "authentic" conclusion from the reading of "history" would state as facts on the ground. It's not as if magic book denies any of those articles. It just contends that he was the right kind of liar, warlord, and child rapist. You know..the godly kind.
I wish life was as simple as you describe it.