(September 21, 2018 at 12:27 pm)SteveII Wrote:(September 21, 2018 at 10:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Which is it, is God omnipresence, or not in the presence of anything that isn't holy. The only way to have it both ways is if everything is holy.
A full theological understanding of omnipresent does not include the idea that God is physically present everywhere. I believe the correct understanding is he is cognizant of and causally active at every point in space. That is not the same as being in his presence--which is clearly a different thing in every mention of it throughout the Bible.
In case you feel pasting the dictionary definition is an answer, I have given this answer before:
Before you go saying the definition is God is everywhere, that is not going to hold up. The universe is expanding. If God was everywhere, is God expanding? Or perhaps becoming diluted? Additionally, the universe if finite. Does that mean that God is finite. More silly conclusion can be drawn from a too-simplistic view: for example, is a portion of God in my coffee cup and the rest of him outside of it? No, God does not occupy space and is therefore not literally everywhere.
The term 'omnipresence' is unnecessary if what is meant is covered by 'omniscience'. As I said, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If 'omnipresence' does not mean 'God is present everywhere', then God is not omnipresent. It's okay, Steve, omnipresence isn't a necessary attribute of God. IMHO, the Bible verses used to derive 'omnipresence' are ambiguous and lack detail. You can just jettison the concept and get much more consistency with the Bible.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.