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3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist
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RE: 3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist
(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

There is nothing embarrassing about it because it is assuming your preferred conclusion. The universe looks about like what we'd expect from a few very simple facts about how things interact given a lot of time. A quick look a chaos theory will show numerous examples of apparent order arising spontaneously out of random events and there's simply no need to jump to a designer to explain what we see.

What's embarrassing is the special pleading that theists use when they invoke god as necessary due to the complexity they see but don't require anything to explain the god which they hold as even more complex. Even if we can't explain everything yet, or ever, "god" is a non-answer.

Quote:2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

Human life is limited by our biology but I see no evidence that it is timed. I see no literal cosmic clock. The sun does not "give time" but the rotation of the earth in conjunction with the sun gives us a useful way of marking time because even though it is not perfectly regular it is close enough for most practical purposes. I have no clue what odds you think are stacking up; this whole point is pretty much word salad.

Quote:3-Why do we have consciousness?

"Why" is the wrong question. You are assuming your preferred conclusion again. You would have to demonstrate first that we were intentionally given consciousness before we could begin to speculate on why. Begging the question does not an argument make.
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RE: 3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist - by unfogged - September 25, 2018 at 9:13 am

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