On Hell and Forgiveness

[polymath257]

Since to be incoherent *means* that no sense can be made of it, I fail to see your problem reconciling not understanding something that is incoherent.

As for consistency of the different virtues, that *is* your job to show they are consistent. I already gave some that seem to be interconnected in ways that preclude maximizing more than one. They don't have to be mutually exclusive to destroy your position. They only need to not allow mutual maxima.

Yes, I have read Platinga. His version of the ontological argument is just as much nonsense as all the previous ones. Possible worlds don't help. When talking about 'most' or 'greatest' or anything along that line, you have to show such actually exists given your way or odering least to most, or lesser to greater. Not all ways of ordering allow single maxima, or even any maximum at all.

Still seems like you are using incoherent in two different ways, or at least making two arguments which do not work together.

OK, let me say it more clearly: you have given no coherent definition of the term 'greater' for any individual virtue. This I don't see as a huge thing: it is probably possible to do so.

Then, you have failed to give a coherent way to merge the different types of 'greater'. This is a major problem: it is actually very seldom that two different orderings give a 'nice' merged ordering. There are two main ways to attempt this: known as the product order and the lexicographic order. Which you pick will determine the properties of any 'maximum'. But they give different results and there are multiple ways to do the lexi order: each with very different properties.

So, by waving your hands, you fail to note that you cannot get the properties you want from this argument unless you give details. Again, that makes your whole argument incoherent: you have to do the work to make it make sense.

Finally, even if you resolve the issues of how to merge different virtues into an overall ordering, you still need to proven the existence of a greatest. Most partial orders do NOT have a greatest at all (especially if they allow infinities). Often, there are two or more 'maximal' entities that cannot be compared at all. You want to claim a *unique* maximal entity for the merged order and allowing infinite progressions. That is very, very unlikely.

And, ultimately, your lack of understanding of basics means that you wave away serious difficulties and fail to comprehend fundamental problems with the argument. That, in addition, leads to incoherence: your confusion is such that the details cannot be understood.