RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 7:52 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2018 at 8:12 am by RoadRunner79.)
(September 28, 2018 at 7:34 am)polymath257 Wrote:(September 27, 2018 at 9:40 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Still seems like you are using incoherent in two different ways, or at least making two arguments which do not work together.
OK, let me say it more clearly: you have given no coherent definition of the term 'greater' for any individual virtue. This I don't see as a huge thing: it is probably possible to do so.
Then, you have failed to give a coherent way to merge the different types of 'greater'. This is a major problem: it is actually very seldom that two different orderings give a 'nice' merged ordering. There are two main ways to attempt this: known as the product order and the lexicographic order. Which you pick will determine the properties of any 'maximum'. But they give different results and there are multiple ways to do the lexi order: each with very different properties.
So, by waving your hands, you fail to note that you cannot get the properties you want from this argument unless you give details. Again, that makes your whole argument incoherent: you have to do the work to make it make sense.
Finally, even if you resolve the issues of how to merge different virtues into an overall ordering, you still need to proven the existence of a greatest. Most partial orders do NOT have a greatest at all (especially if they allow infinities). Often, there are two or more 'maximal' entities that cannot be compared at all. You want to claim a *unique* maximal entity for the merged order and allowing infinite progressions. That is very, very unlikely.
And, ultimately, your lack of understanding of basics means that you wave away serious difficulties and fail to comprehend fundamental problems with the argument. That, in addition, leads to incoherence: your confusion is such that the details cannot be understood.
I gave you a definition (from a dictionary, those things, that provide definitions for words). I also notice, that you keep trying to talk about other things, than the topic at hand without any real specifics. And I still don't think that you can equivocate on the term incoherance in this way, and have both your arguments be coherent. You need to pick one.
I think you are having issues, making a non-math problem into a math problem. To a hammer... everything is a nail.
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