(September 22, 2011 at 6:38 am)ElDinero Wrote:You are right, actions are the only objective measure we have. Yes, we are each entitled to our own thoughts, whether disgraceful in the eyes of others or even ourselves. Why would it be disgraceful? Let me put it to you that God has put His law into your heart and you know when something is wrong.(September 22, 2011 at 6:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: You may have missed the point that the issue was murder and hate without cause (using the standard from the Bible, as I indicated) would be similar to murder. You regard only overt actions as being important and not your thoughts? So you can think all kind of dirty thoughts, indulging in pornography, read hate expressed towards any group and hating people who you choose to hate and be "pure"? This reflects on what many people regard as acceptable.
I believe that thoughts may well inform your actions, but it is only actions that we have the right to punish. People are entitled to think and believe what they want, that is completely their right, even if I find those thoughts disgraceful. Like you have the right to believe evolution is a hoax even though it is backed up by mountains of evidence and agreed upon by 99% of biologists, many of whom are religious - what would be the value in this hoax? A practical joke? It's when people of your opinion then try to get creationism taught in schools that people need to oppose it, because that is the ACTION. But you can believe the Earth was created in seven days if you want. It's cognitive dissonance, but your right to do so.
As for the other bits, I don't really know what you mean by 'pure'. I understand that you are using the Bible's standard, I am telling you that it is really stupid to do that. Being racist is not murder. Murder is murder.
By the way I watch pornography regularly, and I regard myself as a perfectly well balanced person. What does porn have to do with anything?
Whether people agree with a certain point of view (e.g. evolution) does not make it true by implication. Evolution is accepted as “science” although there is so much evidence to the contrary that an opposing view should be heard. Of course we should allow evolution to be presented as a theory. To claim that only “fact” should be presented, would disqualify evolution as well because it rests on a number of assumptions that cannot be verified. Assumptions for instance on The Miller-Urey experiment was wrong, but my first question would actually be – where did these gasses and stuff come from in the first place? This is an interesting article on the issue
“Firstly, consider the gaseous mixture. This was supposed to replicate the primeval atmosphere on the Earth. You will notice that there is an absence of oxygen and nitrogen which are the main elemental constituents of our present environment....etc”
Another: “When British evolutionist G.A. Kerkut published his classic book, The Implications of Evolution, he listed the seven nonprovable assumptions upon which evolution is based. At the top of that list was: “The first assumption is that non-living things gave rise to living material, i.e., spontaneous generation occurred” (1960, p. 6).”
What is also of some concern for me is that there seems to be some dishonesty involved with many of the so-called “finds” supporting evolution. One such an example would be in respect of for instance the Piltdown man :”It was determined that the teeth in the jawbone belonging to an orangutan, had been worn down artificially and that the "primitive" tools discovered with the fossils were simple imitations that had been sharpened with steel implements “
Talking about racism was against the background of hate for another person without good cause. Now you may not see that as very serious, but in the eyes of God it is a serious offence. We have become very “tolerant” of unbecoming behaviour.
The value of this hoax is quite evident – replacing God with a “scientific” solution. That is your position – yes? Everything started by itself, evolved by itself even though we do not see that (excluding micro- evolution within a specie and within parameters), the odds against it is astronomical and has never been experienced.
Pornography: Why do you watch it? Honestly? Why not a good movie that inspire you to become a better person? Why not read a good book that make you realise the wonder of life and appreciate the gifts you have received? Uplifting stuff. Boring?
But we are possibly again missing the point that it is not about evolution. It is about God and his love for you,
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. /2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.