(September 28, 2018 at 9:20 pm)SteveII Wrote:(September 28, 2018 at 9:00 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't play dense.
Wow! I though you would just drop it when you couldn't find it. You want to double down. No, I don't know what you are talking about. Please provide
Really, Steve? Are you playing here? Or you seriously don't know what it is I might be talking about here. It's not like this is something I concocted personally myself out of nowhere. This is something that Christians themselves ponder among each other all the time.
I'll assume that you really have no clue, so here:
Mark 14:35-36 (and similar passages)
Quote:(September 28, 2018 at 9:00 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I sure as hell am efficient!
You want precision in language. Here: If Jesus the man experienced some weakness (such as fear), then Jesus the God (who is the exact same person as Jesus the man) also experienced that weakness. That's the logical implication of such a paradox. Not my problem it doesn't suit your beliefs.
LOL. You're arguing against your point. I'll repeat: So when one is describing attributes of God, one is NOT also describing attributes of Jesus BECAUSE Jesus had two natures: a divine nature and a human nature. These are not hard dots to connect...
Repeating doesn't make your point less wrong. You are going on about how Jesus and God are two distinct entities, but that's not what I'm disputing here in this thread. I'm saying the following instead:
If Jesus the Man did something, then Jesus the God also did that same thing. Since Jesus experienced weakness, and Jesus is God (note I didn't say Jesus is the whole of Trinity or whatever), then Jesus the God (who is the exact same person as Jesus the Man) also had to have experienced that weakness.
For an atheist like me, this is all nonsense. But if you presume the Hypostatic Union, that's where it leads.