RE: 3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist
September 30, 2018 at 6:48 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2018 at 7:18 am by WinterHold.)
(September 25, 2018 at 3:37 am)fromdownunder Wrote:(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.Let's take a quick look at your God's perfect design, using human symbols, because that is the way we do things. And, again, Math is a human construct.
A day = 23 hours 56 minutes and 4.1 seconds, and it dies change, albeit very slowly.
A year = 365.2422 days.
A lunar month = 29.53059 earth days.
pi = 3.14159265358979... I could post it to the first 10,000 numbers if you like. It is certainly not 3 as claimed in the old testament.
Distance from the earth to the sum ranges from about 146 million kilometres to 152 kilometres, depending on the time of year.
I could go on. If there was a God who "designed" the Universe, he did a pretty ordinary "not perfect but uesday" job of it.
Norm
You only convinced me more that we are finite beings with limited calculation methods (maybe even primitive); you can't calculate what infinity is because you and I are so limited. That's an indication of the existence of something far greater to infinite levels beyond my scope. So I refer to him as God. You only showed me the limitation of our scope.
(September 25, 2018 at 3:38 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Hmm. Ten replies in about an hour. Doesn't seem to have ended the discussion, does it?
Boru
It did end because I wasn't convinced.
You see, eventually it's a matter of choice. I didn't get an answer that changed my choice.
(September 25, 2018 at 3:57 am)Mathilda Wrote:(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 3-Why do we have consciousness?
Because we evolved as pack animals that have to co-ordinate our actions with others. This means being able to predict the actions of others and work alongside them. This requires a sense of self.
Actually even non-pack animals benefit from conscious for much the same reasons. It is easier to predict the action of your prey if you can imagine being in the same situation. This is far more flexible than evolving a response to every possible situation.
It also serves as a check and balance on the current behaviour being employed.
Consciousness improves the evolutionary fitness of the species.
That's not to say that we are always conscious of our actions though. Emotions and instinct work as a counter balance. Cognition widens the range of possible behaviours that an agent may use, while emotion and instinct narrows them to strategies favoured by evolution. Thus people can have emotional reactions without understanding why. Consciousness helps them spot when this balancing act isn't working so well.
This sounds very logical and I find it hard to argue with it.
My only objection would be that other creatures that also hunt, did not evolve the same way we did: neither on physical terms or psychological terms, why didn't lizards evolve like us, and why did chimps didn't also?
(September 25, 2018 at 4:46 am)robvalue Wrote: Maybe you should be more concerned with trying to listen and learn than ending conversations with "gotchas".
I always listen !
