(September 28, 2018 at 10:49 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(September 28, 2018 at 9:20 pm)SteveII Wrote: Wow! I though you would just drop it when you couldn't find it. You want to double down. No, I don't know what you are talking about. Please provide
Really, Steve? Are you playing here? Or you seriously don't know what it is I might be talking about here. It's not like this is something I concocted personally myself out of nowhere. This is something that Christians themselves ponder among each other all the time.
I'll assume that you really have no clue, so here:
Mark 14:35-36 (and similar passages)
Why would he do such a thing? If only the passage explained it...oh wait:
Quote:32 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.”
35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba,[f] Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”
37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Couldn’t you keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him.
41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”
Apparently having the sins of the entire world about to be put on your shoulders has an effect. Who would have thought!
Quote:LOL. You're arguing against your point. I'll repeat: So when one is describing attributes of God, one is NOT also describing attributes of Jesus BECAUSE Jesus had two natures: a divine nature and a human nature. These are not hard dots to connect...
Repeating doesn't make your point less wrong. You are going on about how Jesus and God are two distinct entities, but that's not what I'm disputing here in this thread. I'm saying the following instead:
If Jesus the Man did something, then Jesus the God also did that same thing. Since Jesus experienced weakness, and Jesus is God (note I didn't say Jesus is the whole of Trinity or whatever), then Jesus the God (who is the exact same person as Jesus the Man) also had to have experienced that weakness.
For an atheist like me, this is all nonsense. But if you presume the Hypostatic Union, that's where it leads.[/quote]
Well, you failed at showing Jesus showed fear, so isn't this all moot?
