RE: 3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist
September 30, 2018 at 11:05 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2018 at 11:11 pm by WinterHold.)
(September 25, 2018 at 4:50 am)Mathilda Wrote:(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.
Mathematics and logic is a way of describing the universe. If humans did not exist then neither would they. You mention PI, but there is no such thing as a perfect circle or sphere in nature. Therefore also no PI
As for the design that can be explained away. Everything in the universe works to reach equilibrium. Matter coalesce in gravity wells to form planets. Mountains erode away and flatten out. Chemical reactions use gibb's free energy etc. The more efficiently these processes can do this the more effectively the thermodynamic gradient can be minimised. This results in something that looks like it was designed but it just is more efficient to encode and improve upon something than continually re-inventing the wheel.
So you may have proto-cells form many times in a primordial soup but the one that manages to replicate itself will out compete those that cannot because there is an energy gradient that it can feed off. This then leads to Darwinian evolution.
Where do these energy gradients come from?
Quantum irregularities at the beginning of the Big Bang turned into thermodynamic gradients through the expansion of the universe.
I stressed on two lines from your argument; two things:
1-Maybe we can't see a perfect sphere because our tools are limited, and we will never ever achieve the observation of a perfect entity. Our sight (even via using the most advanced tools in the world) stops at a certain limit; our sight itself gets shattered and quantum mechanics proved it: particles would hit two spots at the same time in the famous experiment that gave birth to quantum mechanics as a field. Is that the truth, or the capturing of our inferiority and limited tools?
2-Why does everything has to "work" to reach something?
Why weren't we a void that never came to be? Why did the thermodynamic gradients exist? what gave them the ability to, and why does anything has to be? in other words: what is responsible for the act of "being"?
(September 25, 2018 at 5:20 am)Deesse23 Wrote:1-Pattern = a design of a mechanism. Orbits of planets are an example(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.
2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?
3-Why do we have consciousness?
1- Please demonstrate that it is designed and not only seems so. Because it seems to me your argument is an argument from ignorance.
Quote:2- The sun shines, therefore life = improbable, therefore god?No; it's the opposing side that claims that just because we can't see God = No God.Please try harder. Another argument from ignorance.
Quote:3- We.dont.know. Do you?
So, what else do you have, aside from ignorance i mean? We all are ignorant, but you seem to be able to draw some special knowledge from your ignorance. Why? Is that maybe related to an irrational belief of yours that needs to be shored up?
A different view held by billions of people is not ignorance: but perhaps "innate capacity"?
