(October 1, 2018 at 7:00 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(September 25, 2018 at 8:16 am)Thoreauvian Wrote: 1. As an atheist, I am not embarrassed to discuss the "design" of the universe. You are assuming God did it, which means you think the consciousness of a God must be behind apparent design. But science already understands why this is not the case. The apparent design of the universe was created by various foryms of non-intelligent, material self-organization: stellar evolution, chemistry, abiogenesis, biological evolution, and so on. We haven't nailed down all the details, but the details we do understand support strictly materialistic explanations for apparent design.The embarrassment is in "claiming the very huge claim" that things came to be because "they just came to be".
I'm a programmer. Nobody will ever convince me that anything starts from the void of nothingness, such claim is utterly ignorant for me: even to cavemen:there's no smoke without fire.
God is your base-case; the first and the last point for the self-invoking function: i.e us.
Get back to us when you have actually caught up on brain science, physics, and cosmology. Until you do, you will no doubt continue to argue against strawmen.
