On Hell and Forgiveness

[Haipule]

An effect that involves fear of suffering. You went back a few verses to look for the words you wanted, but how about you try to translate Mark 14:36 in light of your interpretation that it was just sorrow. Was Jesus simply just too sorrowful to want to suffer for humankind?

"Oh, I'm not scared or anything, but it gives me much sorrow to have to suffer for others!"

Yeah, right. How about you check this quote from John Calvin on this passage:



That's mainstream Christian teaching, Steve. It's not my personal interpretation. You think you have it all figured out, do you?

If Jesus showed fear, then this means fear and consequently bravery becomes relevant when it comes to God's "great-making" properties. Since your God saw it fit to experience various weaknesses in human flesh, all these weaknesses should become a matter of consideration in deciding what makes for divine greatness. You can no longer argue that your God does not experience fear if he can indeed do so (according to your favorite book).

Yet another example of Steve,s arrogance ah Grand .

I don't care how you read the bible but, Jesus did NOT ask that the "cup" be taken from Him as a fear component. He didn't want to deal with it. He asked, "not according to my terms but, according to yours!" "but, take it away non the less!" In other words, Jesus asked that this "cup" be taken from Him in any way possible! His prayer was answered in the negative. It was His cup to drink! He drank it nontheless.

But, He suffered nothing in doing so except death. In spite of unimaginable torcher, He did not cry out! That means He was given a capacity to feel nothing except pleasure. And that, in spite of being scourged! If fact, He felt nothing but pleasure/goodness every time He was struck. That's not in the bible but, I have experienced torcher without pain--only pleasure/goodness(that drug, whatever it is, does not SUCK!). I put 2 and 2 together and had an "ah ha" moment.

The neurotransmitters of the human brain can do this. I have experienced this as well! IT's ALL good at that point! Pain is impossible at that point!

He never felt those nails driving into Him!

God was proving his love for mankind, right them, not Jesus' ability to endure pain! And that event was only about God's love for mankind! ONLY! And that event was shrouded in darkness and was a private matter between God and Jesus! It is a history lesson that NO man can add to, nor take away from. It is a done deal. Believe what!

Therefore, Hyper-Literal: For(conjunction assigning a reason) thusly, (2)thee God, (1)He-agapaO-loves* (3-)thee kosmos-world even-as-and thee Son of-Him-same, namely--thee uniquely-begotten, He-gives* that(purpose) any thee one-keeps-on-trusting(not a “one shot” decision but continuous, repeated, customary action--do not argue with Greek present participles!) into Him-same no he-might-be(acting upon themselves--stupidly)-rendered-useless (keep-on trusting into Him and you cannot screw it up!) but-rather he-might-be(and continue)-having zOE-life(feminine), breath-being-belong-to-her(right here, right now!). John 3:16

Christianity, in spite of what has been taught, is NOT a belief system for the insanely stupid! It's just a matter of trusting the Great Shepherd to lead you through this life, to glorification/extolment/magnificent so that you CAN'T fuck it up!

I offer my life as anecdotal evidence!

You say, "Bill, that's just anecdotal!" IT'S STILL A PART OF HISTORY!