RE: Atheists who announce "I'm good without god"
October 2, 2018 at 12:07 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2018 at 12:09 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(October 2, 2018 at 11:55 am)polymath257 Wrote:(October 2, 2018 at 11:43 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t see how repeating the claim answers the question of how you came to that conclusion. I also believe that you missed the second question as well.
I am addressing where our moral sense comes from. yes, we agree that the man is wrong in beating his wife. The question is why do we believe that. And my position is that we are evolved to be a social species with pair bonding. Deities are not required for a moral sense to have evolved.
I’ll ask another way. What reasons or evidence lead you to this claim? And while your hypothesis may not require a god, it also doesn’t lead to moral realism. Using evolution, as a standard, if a rape produces more offspring, then would that be considered moral? I don’t believe that whatever tendencies tend to be passed on, by whatever means; is a very strong basis for morality. With this, you could kill all who are not like you, and call it moral.
(October 2, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(October 2, 2018 at 12:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: No, not at all. I think that it is really wrong, and that God is the best explanation as a basis or foundation for that moral realism. And If some guy, doesn’t see an issue with beating his wife, I don’t see that as an argument for moral subjectivity. Because morality is not based on the subject.
Ok, so you believe/accept it's really wrong, whether or not God existed.
A slightly different question: If God didn't exist, would beating your wife still be really wrong?
Yes, I would believe in a real right and wrong apart from believing in God. I don’t think that this fits with a materialist world view though.
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