Atheists who announce "I'm good without god"

[RoadRunner79]

I’ll ask another way. What reasons or evidence lead you to this claim?    And while your hypothesis may not require a god, it also doesn’t lead to moral realism. Using evolution, as a standard, if a rape produces more offspring, then would that be considered moral?  I don’t believe that whatever tendencies tend to be passed on, by whatever means; is a very strong basis for morality. With this, you could kill all who are not like you, and call it moral.

And for a non-social species, it might well be moral to force sex. But humans are a social species and that means we have certain rules of behavior to maintain the social cohesion. Those rules are *our* morality. We are also an intelligent social species, which means we like to make laws that are generalized and apply to everyone. That is based in a sense of fairness.

But, for example, it might well be moral for a race of intelligent spiders to eat their mates after sex. It is not for us.

You seem to be avoiding the question... oh well.

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I’ll ask another way. What reasons or evidence lead you to this claim?    And while your hypothesis may not require a god, it also doesn’t lead to moral realism. Using evolution, as a standard, if a rape produces more offspring, then would that be considered moral?  I don’t believe that whatever tendencies tend to be passed on, by whatever means; is a very strong basis for morality. With this, you could kill all who are not like you, and call it moral.

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Yes, I would believe in a real right and wrong apart from believing in God. I don’t think that this fits with a materialist world view though.

How so?

If we have good reasons, independent of God or the supernatural, to believe such and such really is wrong or right, we need some immaterial thing why?

How do you get an ought from an is? If you have good reasons, then feel free to present them.

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Yes, I would believe in a real right and wrong apart from believing in God. I don’t think that this fits with a materialist world view though.

Can numbers be objective in a materialist worldview? If numbers can be objective, why not morals?

(I think you're limiting yourself to specific materialist worldviews, btw, not to materialism qua materialism.)

I think that you are going to have a difficult time; making a case for a material/ physical existence of numbers or morals. In the case of numbers, I’m torn on if they are objective. I think that the arguments for objective numbers are slightly favored, and often see in arguments the same mistakes as when talking about objective morality (which sddimitantly may sway me some).

As to materialist world view, I’m speaking of a view that the physical things are all that exists.