(October 2, 2018 at 1:57 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 2, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Yeah, the "is-ought problem" again. You can look up Google for the various non-theistic solutions proposed.
But as far as I'm concerned, if beating your wife is wrong, then you shouldn't really do it, unless you somehow like to do things that you believe are wrong (such as hurting your poor wife).
If you beat your wife, you're causing harm to someone who never consented to you harming her. There's nothing good about being a wife-beater.
If that's not a good reason, then you tell me what is a good reason that beating your wife is wrong. Remember you admitted that God is not needed, so there must be some reason that has nothing to do with the divine. And if God is the only reason, that's not much of a reason at all because "God decreed" doesn't do much of a job explaining why something is right/wrong.
You are just pushing the issue back to causing harm, and saying causing harm is wrong. The question is if it is really wrong, or just a matter of individual opinion or social convention. This doesn't get you out of the problem of objective morality. And if you say that it is subjective, then you can't really criticize others for being immoral, other than just expressing your feelings (or whatever).
Oh that's right, Christians aren't concerned with good acts. They just have to believe that there is an objective standard, maintained by God, and know that they are hopeless sinners who can only be saved by grace. You know, it would seem that anyone who actually subscribed to such beliefs is actually morally deficient - no matter how much they obfuscate about the lack of objective standards on the part of subjectivist, non-believers. In regard to your question (my bolded): who the fuck cares? We're not as obsessed with criticizing others as you seem to be. We'll settle for decent behavior and leave the naval gazing to you.
