(October 3, 2018 at 5:34 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 3, 2018 at 5:43 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I do, but you claim that you do not.
No I don’t. I may not be perfect, but I think that we both know and behave as if there is a real right and wrong; good and evil.
(October 3, 2018 at 6:00 am)Whateverist Wrote: Do you? Please explain exactly how, as believers, the objective morals ordained by God are accessed by your selves but are inaccessible to all non-believers. Last I heard this God was undetectable apart from the written accounts of His one and done grand appearance more than two thousand years ago. So you have the book that contains those revelations written by men but you assume inspired by God. Is that it?
Apparently what your lot has is the belief that the knowledge of right and wrong come indirectly from your God, provided you are correct in the assumption of the bible's provenance which you can't really establish beyond faith. Do you really know right from wrong in any way better than any other human animal? I don't think so.
I’m not saying that objective morals are inaccessible to non believers. In fact, the moral argument relies on this. It seems that it is your fellow non believers, who argue that there is not a an objective morality, outside of the individual. It’s all based on feelings or something.
And I'm saying that believers are *less* likely to have good morals. Their superstitions get in the way of morality.
Witness all the current debates about gays being given basic rights.