Atheists who announce "I'm good without god"

[polymath257]

Once again, you aren't listening to what I say.

**The basis for ALL morality is compassion and a sense of fairness.**

When religion goes against that, it becomes immoral. When governments go against that, they become immoral. When societies go against that, they become immoral.

So, does denying gays marriage rights go against those basics? Yes. So it is immoral.

The standard for morality is compassion and fairness. That is subjective to some extent, but not nearly to the extent of trying to figure out what an unknowable deity wants.

Your equivocating on subjective and objective here.   And once again this isn't about knowing what is moral or immoral.  It's about the nature of morality.   Compassion and fairness are a part of morality.... I agree.  However you have no basis for saying that one ought to be compassionate and fair.   And according to what you have said, if the majority or evolution as your just so story states had made greed and the suffering of others more prevalent, then would you call that moral?  

Unfortunately, I'm going to be going on vacation over the weekend; so I'll be limited for a little while.   This is also why I'm not getting into some of the more off topic parts of the discussion.   I am still asking how you came to the conclusion that evolution was the basis for morality though.

Consider compassion and fairness as being moral axioms. They are the basic assumptions for morality. Furthermore, they are basic assumptions that most people agree to.

Take it as moral *axioms* that one should be fair and compassionate. Those axioms are common sense and clear. Whether they are 'objective' or 'subjective' is beside the point. People agree to them (probably because of genetics and evolution) and so they are part of the *definition* or morality.

In a very different, non-social species, they may NOT be axioms for behavior or for a definition of morality. For us, they are.

I came to the conclusion that our moral sensitivities are *derived* from evolution because it seems to exist in other primates and because such compassion and fairness are clearly helpful for the survival of social species. What makes it a stable equilibrium is an interesting idea, but clearly it is.