Atheists who announce "I'm good without god"

[Alan V]

It's similar to saying, "I can walk without crutches."

Standard apologist response:  "But, but, but .. that's only your opinion!  Besides you rely on your own form of crutches as everyone must.  Also, you hate God."

Fun to have you here by the way, Thor.  (Can I call you that for short?)

Most religious apologists don't seem to understand the difference between reason and rationalizing.  I guess they consider it their job or something. Rationalizations are crutches.

You can call me "Thor," as have others.  "Thoreauvian" is a spelling challenge for some, and clumsy to boot.  I also go by "Jay."

It's nice to be here.

- Jay

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Not murdering each other all willy-nilly is objectively good for having a cohesive society that maximizes our chance for survival. It's not universally good, we can imagine a species that does as well with pervasive intra-species violence, I suppose. But to get to the objective part, you have to accept that human survival and prosperity are 'good things'. I do, but there's no doubt some differ. The voluntary human extinction people come to mind.

Different species have different survival strategies.  Some insects don't seem to mind killing each other, but they reproduce very rapidly so that doesn't really harm them.

I like to look at morality as objective but relative to human interests.  We do, after all, have very specific conditions within which we survive and thrive.  Our morality can be seen as a part of our social nature, as one successful evolutionary strategy out of many different ones for different species.