(October 4, 2018 at 10:36 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(October 4, 2018 at 9:32 am)Whateverist Wrote: Yes and no. People can and do vary regarding which central values dominate the manner in which they believe they should behave. So when faced with a situation in which one choice would best serve the value you place on loyalty but a different choice would better serve the value you place on fairness, yes we can certainly disagree. There are regions of near unanimous agreement but there is also inherent competition between values. It is important to avoid oversimplification when studying morality.
Agree,but it does start off simple and then one gets to the not so simple. Take, for example, "Thou shalt not kill." Seems simple enough, but then the exceptions start getting lobbed in like the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
Home invasion? Shoot the perp. That's moral.
War? Shoot the enemy. That's moral.
Different nation? Genocide them. That's moral.
And so on.
Theists always end up trying and failing to defend their immoral god.
If any written religion in our species history were required for life to create new generations then judging by their claim we cant survive without their holy book, we should have gone extinct a long time ago.
Guess how many people I have murdered in my life? NONE! And I don't need Islam or Hinduism or Jewish or Buddhism either.
But religion is great at creating tribalism.
