On Hell and Forgiveness

[Abaddon_ire]

This might be one of those areas where SteveII and I might see things slightly differently. IMO when emotions are coupled with purpose they are transformed. Training and running a marathon is painful and grueling. My tri-athlete friend simultaneously welcomed and dreaded it. Those emotions are not mutually exclusive; but rather, complimentary. What he gained by his achievement and experience remains very valuable to him.

We probably agree. This started when I said bravery was not an attribute of God. Then the question was why. I said because bravery requires one to overcome fears and fear is not something God deals with.

Oh, so now your claim is that your gunderscored is NOT maximally great, possessing no courage. What lets you place limitations on your gunderscored? And why is it worthy of worship if it is a limited being like the rest of us?

Grand claims that Jesus is God and Jesus fears. He is wrong on both counts. First Jesus is not just God.  Second I think the correct Christology is that the mind/soul of Jesus was divine. As the creator of all there is and a knowledge of all that his sacrifice entailed, I don't think that bravery was even a possible attribute of Jesus--let along described in the NT.

And you made all of that crap up out of whole cloth. All you have done is create larger problems for your wild claims.

If jebus cannot experience fear, then jebus is not fully human.
If jebus is greater than god, then what do we need with god?
If jebus is the creator of everything, what use is god?
If jebus didn't die, where was the sacrifice? What was sacrificed by him? Temporarily inconvenienced for part of a weekend? What exactly did jebus "sacrifice"?