Atheists who announce "I'm good without god"

[RoadRunner79]

So then, you can’t really condemn those who where raised with a different system?  You can’t say that one is wrong or right. Just different.   It’s whatever is best pragmatically best for society. Would you agree then:that what you call moral, is just a personal preference, or way of thinking?  Do you think that those here, howling so much moral indignation should be more compassionate towards those they have a difference of moral preference with?

No, I can and do condemn them. Just like they might condemn me. Which wins depends on how many people we can convince, just like with much of life.

When you say it is 'just' a way of thinking, you miss the whole point. Some ways of thinking lead to happier people than others. Some lead to oppression and unhappy people. Some things produce happiness in the short term but not in the long term. So, yes, the long-term pragmatics are central.

Howling with indignation is one way of presenting a moral argument, but often not the best. Playing to a sense of fairness and compassion tends to work better because those values are more universal in our species.

Much of morality, just like much of politics, boils down to what sort of society you want to live in: one that allows for freedom and fulfillment or one that is rule-bound and restrictive.

So then might makes right? It’s all about who wins, and has more power, and the others are immoral?

I don’t think that being moral is about making the most people happy. It also seems that we appeal to morality, even when it makes a large group of people unhappy. What do you think about the number of people here, who seem to want to make Christians unhappy..., are they immoral?