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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm

(October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 10, 2018 at 6:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Or it’s Gods will that you be a moral agent with free will, and you are culpable for your choices. You also have the difference between God’s will, in what he desires and in what he permits.

But if God if God created the universe, then he also created my choices, actions and consequences. There can be no free will in the framework of a God as described in the Bible.

Boru

What I see in the Bible is that God is soverign, and that man is responsible for the actions and choices he makes. I think you and I have free will; we make rational and moral choices. This is taught throughout the Bible. It seems to me, the materialist position where you don’t have these.

It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther

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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by no one - October 10, 2018 at 6:35 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 6:50 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 7:13 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 8:34 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 9:00 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 5:25 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 7:39 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 8:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 8:45 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 9:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 9:48 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 10:13 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 10:15 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 11, 2018 at 12:22 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by HappySkeptic - October 11, 2018 at 5:55 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 6:20 pm

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