Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 27, 2025, 7:56 am

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?
#12
RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?
(October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But if God if God created the universe, then he also created my choices, actions and consequences.  There can be no free will in the framework of a God as described in the Bible.

Boru

What I see in the Bible is that God is soverign, and that man is responsible for the actions and choices he makes. I think you and I have free will; we make rational and moral choices. This is taught throughout the Bible.  It seems to me, the materialist position where you don’t have these.

Then you don't believe two things that the Bible consistently hammers home:  that God created the universe, and that God knows everything that is going to happen.

If God created the universe, he created everything in it.  Choices, but any coherent definition, are 'things'.  If I choose to murder someone, God created that choice, so there is no way that I can be held responsible.  If I choose not to repent this murder, that's God's responsibility, not mine.

It gets worse with the second point.  If God knows I am going to commit a murder and show no repentance or remorse for that sin, then God created me with the foreknowledge that I am going to be eternally damned. That's simply monstrous.

The only way for freewill and God to exist is if God both didn't create everything and doesn't know everything. Such a being clearly doesn't match up with what is in the Bible.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 8:34 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything? Silver 184 24445 September 10, 2021 at 4:20 pm
Last Post: Dundee
Thumbs Up Taoism Says That Everything Has an Opposite Philos_Tone 37 6480 November 20, 2018 at 8:35 am
Last Post: Angrboda
  Why is religion in the business of moral policing? NuclearEnergy 85 21514 August 13, 2017 at 2:51 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  If someone says science can't explain everything what's the best way to repond? ReptilianPeon 94 18620 December 14, 2016 at 12:03 pm
Last Post: Asmodee
  Money is everything Romney 12 2294 August 27, 2016 at 9:15 am
Last Post: Romney
  Do theists need a threat to be moral? brewer 33 5676 June 14, 2016 at 1:43 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Atheists Have the Most Logical Reason for being Moral Rhondazvous 24 8759 January 22, 2016 at 6:49 pm
Last Post: Reforged
  Why Does Sincrety Make Everything Okay? Rhondazvous 16 4801 September 27, 2015 at 10:22 pm
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  My supporting POV on selfishness motivating human moral values smax 60 17582 July 15, 2015 at 5:29 am
Last Post: smax
  Can I be sued for saving someone's life? Yes I can Dystopia 25 7063 July 14, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Last Post: Jackalope



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)