(October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But if God if God created the universe, then he also created my choices, actions and consequences. There can be no free will in the framework of a God as described in the Bible.
Boru
What I see in the Bible is that God is soverign, and that man is responsible for the actions and choices he makes. I think you and I have free will; we make rational and moral choices. This is taught throughout the Bible. It seems to me, the materialist position where you don’t have these.
Then you don't believe two things that the Bible consistently hammers home: that God created the universe, and that God knows everything that is going to happen.
If God created the universe, he created everything in it. Choices, but any coherent definition, are 'things'. If I choose to murder someone, God created that choice, so there is no way that I can be held responsible. If I choose not to repent this murder, that's God's responsibility, not mine.
It gets worse with the second point. If God knows I am going to commit a murder and show no repentance or remorse for that sin, then God created me with the foreknowledge that I am going to be eternally damned. That's simply monstrous.
The only way for freewill and God to exist is if God both didn't create everything and doesn't know everything. Such a being clearly doesn't match up with what is in the Bible.
Boru
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