(October 11, 2018 at 5:25 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(October 10, 2018 at 9:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You are trying to reason to both these conclusions. The Bible doesn’t say tat we don’t have free will; but that we are responsible for our choices. I think that this is bad reasoning.
I knew you where going to say this. Well at least fairly certain. Does that mean that you didn’t have a choice. How does the knowledge of another effect if you choose. And if you did have a choice to not say this, then how you where created, has no consequence on you having a choice.
However, consciousness is a difficulty if we are just matter in motion, and our actions are just the inevitable result of electro-chemical reactions. You can’t make logical choices, you can’t make moral choices, or really any choice at all. You can’t even determine the truth of your claims; it’s out of your control. There’s isnt really a you a true all, it’s Justin an illusion, created by physical reactions.
If you couldn’t do other than what God knows, then perhaps it goes against libertarian free will. But I’m more of a compatabilist, and only think that you made the choice is necessary.
Suppose for a moment that there was a passage in the Bible in which God deliberately removes free will from people. Would that change your mind?
Boru
Your premise here requires that we have free will to begin with. I don’t see how that is going to help you.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
