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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

October 11, 2018 at 8:45 am

(October 11, 2018 at 8:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 7:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Your premise here requires that we have free will to begin with. I don’t see how that is going to help you.

Fair point, I worded it badly. How about: Suppose for a moment that there was a passage in the Bible in which God deliberately denies free will to people. Would that change your mind?

Boru

You are still are starting with there being free will, and then the assertion that it is being denied or overwritten. Again, that would go against what you are saying, which is that we have no free will at all. I don't think that the it is necessary (although possible) that the passages you are thinking of are overriding a persons free will (or that God forced them to do something they didn't want to). But this doesn't help you get to your conclusion.

It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther

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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by no one - October 10, 2018 at 6:35 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 6:50 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 7:13 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 8:34 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 9:00 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 5:25 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 7:39 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 8:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 8:45 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 9:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 9:48 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 10:13 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 10:15 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 11, 2018 at 12:22 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by HappySkeptic - October 11, 2018 at 5:55 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 6:20 pm

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