(October 11, 2018 at 9:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 8:45 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You are still are starting with there being free will, and then the assertion that it is being denied or overwritten. Again, that would go against what you are saying, which is that we have no free will at all. I don't think that the it is necessary (although possible) that the passages you are thinking of are overriding a persons free will (or that God forced them to do something they didn't want to). But this doesn't help you get to your conclusion.
This is actually a slightly different point. I still maintain that freewill cannot exist in light of the biblical God. I'm speaking more to the point of what you claim the Bible has to say about freewill. You have claimed that the Bible insists that human beings are responsible for the choices they make. If there were biblical support that humans are not so responsible, would you accept it?
Boru
Yes, we are responsible for the choices that we make. I am guessing, that you are going to reference God hardening the heart of Pharaoh or something like that. This doesn't mean that it wasn't his choice, was overridden. Also, this would be referencing an instance, where the contrary is implied to be the norm.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther