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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?
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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?
(October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: If everything that happens is god's will, then the only measure of right or wrong is success or failure.
what kind of broken logic is that?

Quote:If it wasn't god's will for me to punch you in the face, then it wouldn't have happened.
What if it were simply God's will to allow you the ability to make a select number of choices and being punched in the face being something you have complete control over?

Quote:If I don't punch you in the face it's not because I'm a good person who doesn't do things like that, but because god doesn't want you to be punched in the face today by me.
my God you can't be this simple minded. God's will for you is not to be on or off. God gives you the keys and his will is that you stay with in the borders of this continent. Ever think beyond right and wrong? ever think why with atonement didn't God simply obliterate all morality and or justification as that is what essentially happens if you take the atonement concept out to it's logical conclusion... What if He did that very thing and replace all of 'morality' all Godly law with 2 little commands? then hand you the keys to your life and tell you follow the two laws stay on the planet but the rest is your to decide. Ever ask your self why God would want to micro manage your little crap life? Granted God has helped me alot... but not because He is playing sim city with me. It is because I am asking Him to fit me into his larger plan.

Quote:Appealing to god's will allows people to sleep at night. It wipes the slate of history clean.
Ahh. no. seeking forgiveness/atonement wipes the slate clean. which is the only stop God asks but does not force us to make.

Quote:This is why empathy is a better foundation for moral behavior, because you have to get rid of the idea of god's will to even recognize that some things are good and some things are evil.
Moron... All things are evil. So where does the idea of good come from? It is when compared to more evil things, but in the end we are not able to do righteous/pure good things so we set out to do less evil things which we lable 'good.' So enter the cross and Christ now God removes that 'good/righteous' standard with atonement, which removes our right to judge as we are all the same, which people who want to hold on to the idea of being 'good' misinterpret as not having empathy.
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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Drich - October 11, 2018 at 2:32 pm

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