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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm (This post was last modified: October 11, 2018 at 5:01 pm by vulcanlogician.)

(October 11, 2018 at 10:41 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(October 11, 2018 at 12:00 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: But what about Calvinists? I'm asking. Cuz I don't know. Apparently they don't believe in free will.

One persistent question is this. If my deeds are inevitable why is the illusion of consciously deliberation and control even needed? Thoughts and feelings would be just along for the ride, so to speak. Personally, I agree with Sartre (or was it Camus, not sure) that Man is condemned to be free. I cannot imagine what it would be like to live under the presumption that my entire being follows mechanically from the initial conditions of the physical universe. YMMV.

(my bold)

Certain aspects of our lives are illusory. It's a matter of fact. I don't see the point in asking "Why the illusion?" It's like asking, If the Earth revolves around the sun, why is the illusion that the sun revolves around the earth even needed?

I'm not super familiar with Sartre. But I think he is the one who said man is condemned to be free. He also emphasized taking responsibility for one's actions as a way to find meaning in life.

I'm a tad more familiar with Camus. His point was that life is innately absurd, and that trying to find any meaning at all is a waste of time.

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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm

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