(October 11, 2018 at 5:55 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: And as I said, if you hold to materialism, that there is just space, time, and matter governed by the laws of physics, then you have no free will of any kind. You don't have a moral free will, or even the ability to think about logical choices. It's just a falling of the dominos, with no way to choose. X conditions, are processed, and given Y result; regardless of truth or validity of the matter. So as to the other part of the post, it appears that for a materialist view, that along with having no moral basis which which to say what is right or wrong, you couldn't decide it if there was.
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Free will has nothing to do with materialism or determinism. It is merely a question of, is an entity able to react to the environment in a way that has value? This implies that the entity makes a choice based on its values (whether they be survival, moral, etc.).
Free will is a mode of operation of a conscious being -- the ability to make choices that benefits it. Whether that choice is metaphysically pre-determined is outside the realm of knowledge of the being. It acts as if it is free.
Consider the alternative to determinism -- quantum-mechanical chance. This does not make an entity more "free" according to my definition. It merely adds randomness to the operation of the consciousness. I would argue that randomness introduces errors in choice, and does not improve a being's ability to make a choice. I could be wrong -- randomness could actually help if an algorithm is designed to use it (as in a monte-carlo or annealing simulation).
Now, what does anything non-material add to the discussion? If there is a soul making choices (instead of the brain), on what rules does the soul operate? Is it deterministic, or random? How can some sort of "free will" agency exist without a logical framework such as a brain? Postulating a soul merely creates a new problem, of how the soul operates.
I would tend to agree with most of what you said here. I think that a soul, is what adds the will to the equation.
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