(October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 10:41 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: One persistent question is this. If my deeds are inevitable why is the illusion of consciously deliberation and control even needed? Thoughts and feelings would be just along for the ride, so to speak. Personally, I agree with Sartre (or was it Camus, not sure) that Man is condemned to be free. I cannot imagine what it would be like to live under the presumption that my entire being follows mechanically from the initial conditions of the physical universe. YMMV.
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Certain aspects of our lives are illusory. It's a matter of fact. I don't see the point in asking "Why the illusion?" It's like asking, If the Earth revolves around the sun, why is the illusion that the sun revolves around the earth even needed?
I'm not super familiar with Sartre. But I think he is the one who said man is condemned to be free. He also emphasized taking responsibility for one's actions as a way to find meaning in life.
I'm a tad more familiar with Camus. His point was that life is innately absurd, and that trying to find any meaning at all is a waste of time.
The very idea of "needed" suggests a purpose—intelligent or otherwise design. Without a designer, what exists simply exists. It's only our unfortunate foundation in theism that makes us unsatisfied with that. Otherwise, we would have long ago created our own meaning based on whatt is useful.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.