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Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants
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RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants
(October 24, 2018 at 9:39 am)Rahn127 Wrote: When I heard the Trump man say...
"Planet gets warmer. It gets colder. Warm again, cold again. It's a natural cylce."

I really want to punch him in the face.
Yes the cold events were called Ice Ages.
The warming events caused mass extinction of species and they gradually happened over hundreds of thousands of years.
What is happening now is spiking up each decade right before our eyes. This isn't natural.

It's man made.
And if it's man made, it must be designed right theists ?

Whether the current warming trend is man made is irrelevant.  

We have no compelling reason of principle per se to leave the planet as we found it.   So it being man made does not in itself impose any additional burden upon us to halt or reverse it.   On a practical level we should leave the warming trend be if it either makes little difference to human society, or is more costly to slow, halt or reverse than to let continue unchecked, even if the trend is man made.

But unfortunately the warming trend would prove vastly costly to the human society in dislocation and infrastructure obsolescence.   Furthermore the cost of meaningfully slowing or halting the trend would seem to be far less than the cost of putting up with the warming.   Therefore it would enrich the human society by decreasing impoverished and emiseratiom to invest in slowing, halting or reversing the warming trend, even if the trend is not man made.

So in the long run investing in fighting the warming trend through reduction in GHG emission is a sign of optimizing the use of society’s resources to pursue greater common good by decreasing aggregate human misery and impoverishment.

The problem is the right wing does not see the goal of good governance to be the pursuit of greater common good or decreasing the total misery and impoverishment.   They see the goal of good governance as to protect a person’s or a small group’s paragative to exploit any unearned advantage to maximize his (their) own wealth and imfluence without meaningful concern for consequences to but a few.    So they do not think the fact that the human society overall might become more impoverished and emiserated, that other people without resource or privilege are trampled, to be a sign of failure of governance.  

It so happens that much of those who are in privileged positions ro readily enrich themselves by emiserating others are also those who can most cheaply readily mitigate the personal consequences of climate change.   So they have little incentive to invest their own wealth into any collective effort to slow or halt climate change.  To them, the cost of climate change is but the emiserating of those others whom they have become accustomed to think is right to emiserate.  So it is not their problem.  Therefore it is an unwarranted imposition on their own paragatives if their freedom to do whatever it takes to enrich themselves is curtailed in the interest of solving that problem.   Hence their great loathing for any effort to systematically slow or reverse climate change that requires them to make investment that mainly serve to reduce the future emiseration and impoverishment of others, and their willingness to go through great length to discredit the need of the society overall for such investment to relieve pressures for such such investment.
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Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 20, 2018 at 11:49 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Aoi Magi - October 21, 2018 at 12:14 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rev. Rye - October 21, 2018 at 12:19 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 21, 2018 at 12:53 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 21, 2018 at 8:56 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 22, 2018 at 6:09 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Amarok - October 22, 2018 at 10:31 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 22, 2018 at 11:05 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Alan V - October 22, 2018 at 11:48 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 21, 2018 at 1:24 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Nakara - October 21, 2018 at 2:03 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 7:48 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Amarok - October 21, 2018 at 10:04 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 10:37 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Amarok - October 21, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Dr H - October 22, 2018 at 5:37 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Amarok - October 22, 2018 at 5:41 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Dr H - October 23, 2018 at 6:10 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 10:11 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Alan V - October 21, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Dr H - October 22, 2018 at 4:40 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Amarok - October 21, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 3:02 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Amarok - October 21, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 21, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by brewer - October 21, 2018 at 10:11 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 22, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Dr H - October 24, 2018 at 6:53 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Dr H - October 25, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Rahn127 - October 24, 2018 at 9:39 am
RE: Shutting down fossil fuel electric plants - by Anomalocaris - October 24, 2018 at 10:22 am

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