RE: science can prove a god must exist
September 28, 2011 at 2:00 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2011 at 2:28 am by The Grand Nudger.)
"Everything that has a beginning has a cause" is the Kalam variant of the Cosmological Argument. It was designed to avoid the question that plagued a previous variant (which instead simply stated everything has a cause). If everything has a cause, what is the cause of god? Kalam restates the premise as everything that began to exist. Potentially removing the objection. However, the argument fails to offer anything else (besides an un-caused god) that belongs within this classification. If absolutely everything requires a cause, except for god, we have a classic case of special pleading, begging the question, and circularity (and hilariously much, much more than these three). Long story short, it's a terrible argument. Rayaan should be ashamed that he gave it kudos.
For my own part, I would say that clearly god has a cause. We are that cause. Don't find too many Deer building churches, do we? Not that these arguments are convincing to me one way or the other. I prefer evidence. The universe came from -we don't know-. That something is unknown, does not automatically make it "supernatural".
Shaman, saman, or samanka, possible roots meaning "to burn". This has been hypothesized as referring to a high fever. Good word right there. Welcome aboard.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Kalam
( a link for you )
For my own part, I would say that clearly god has a cause. We are that cause. Don't find too many Deer building churches, do we? Not that these arguments are convincing to me one way or the other. I prefer evidence. The universe came from -we don't know-. That something is unknown, does not automatically make it "supernatural".
Shaman, saman, or samanka, possible roots meaning "to burn". This has been hypothesized as referring to a high fever. Good word right there. Welcome aboard.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Kalam
( a link for you )
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