RE: Christian morality delusions
November 20, 2018 at 8:15 pm
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2018 at 8:19 pm by tackattack.
Edit Reason: edit for clarity because more people posted.
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Rather than have a wall of text replying to each question I'll do my best to encompass them all because I appreciate the responses.
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs. It is subjective because it is personal to the observer. A psychopath believes it's right to kill someone I do not.
There is societal morality-Which can be an objective morality and informs our subjective morality. 100 years ago segregation was a common societal belief that informed the current populous. today, it is striving to evolve away from that.
There probably isn't universal morality because we're all like herding cats so I'll scrap that concept. You win Min I can't think of one, maybe breathing is good?
There is objective morality - a being that exists prior to creation and is outside of our known reality has nothing to do with being objective? Exquease me but this does not compute. I see other points that it is not a necessary objective morality (plop here's the miracle) to the equation because our personal morality can be affected by societal morality. But as that changes I prefer a firmer yard stick by which to measure by.
Operationalization of conceptual variables dictates I have a method by which to measure morality and I prefer a constant to a variable. That's about as simple as I can put it. That plus faith and experience informs my subjective morality but seems to have little effect on societal morality.
I understand that not everyone buys into, experiences or believes in God and I agree, that's kinda why I hang out here man
to answer and retort on other things:
"Where do god’s morals come from, and by what method or criteria can it be concluded that they are objective? "
-By my understanding and personal experience of the nature of God being Holy. I'm certain God's morals are subjective to him, but as he is outside of my known universe they're about as constant as I could fathom. That's not to say they're not mercurial, but I've not had that experience.
"species evolved to socialize and THAT, not old mythology, not old writings, but our evolution, is where we develop our sense of morality."
-is emphatically false if mythology and old writings exist and were discussed during socialization then every experience thought and input we receives changes who we are as a society and affects our subjective morality consequently.
I think that covers 90%
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs. It is subjective because it is personal to the observer. A psychopath believes it's right to kill someone I do not.
There is societal morality-Which can be an objective morality and informs our subjective morality. 100 years ago segregation was a common societal belief that informed the current populous. today, it is striving to evolve away from that.
There probably isn't universal morality because we're all like herding cats so I'll scrap that concept. You win Min I can't think of one, maybe breathing is good?
There is objective morality - a being that exists prior to creation and is outside of our known reality has nothing to do with being objective? Exquease me but this does not compute. I see other points that it is not a necessary objective morality (plop here's the miracle) to the equation because our personal morality can be affected by societal morality. But as that changes I prefer a firmer yard stick by which to measure by.
Operationalization of conceptual variables dictates I have a method by which to measure morality and I prefer a constant to a variable. That's about as simple as I can put it. That plus faith and experience informs my subjective morality but seems to have little effect on societal morality.
I understand that not everyone buys into, experiences or believes in God and I agree, that's kinda why I hang out here man
to answer and retort on other things:
"Where do god’s morals come from, and by what method or criteria can it be concluded that they are objective? "
-By my understanding and personal experience of the nature of God being Holy. I'm certain God's morals are subjective to him, but as he is outside of my known universe they're about as constant as I could fathom. That's not to say they're not mercurial, but I've not had that experience.
"species evolved to socialize and THAT, not old mythology, not old writings, but our evolution, is where we develop our sense of morality."
-is emphatically false if mythology and old writings exist and were discussed during socialization then every experience thought and input we receives changes who we are as a society and affects our subjective morality consequently.
I think that covers 90%
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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