(November 20, 2018 at 8:15 pm)tackattack Wrote: Rather than have a wall of text replying to each question I'll do my best to encompass them all because I appreciate the responses.
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs. It is subjective because it is personal to the observer. A psychopath believes it's right to kill someone I do not.
There is societal morality-Which can be an objective morality and informs our subjective morality. 100 years ago segregation was a common societal belief that informed the current populous. today, it is striving to evolve away from that.
There probably isn't universal morality because we're all like herding cats so I'll scrap that concept. You win Min I can't think of one, maybe breathing is good?
There is objective morality - a being that exists prior to creation and is outside of our known reality has nothing to do with being objective? Exquease me but this does not compute. I see other points that it is not a necessary objective morality (plop here's the miracle) to the equation because our personal morality can be affected by societal morality. But as that changes I prefer a firmer yard stick by which to measure by.
Operationalization of conceptual variables dictates I have a method by which to measure morality and I prefer a constant to a variable. That's about as simple as I can put it. That plus faith and experience informs my subjective morality but seems to have little effect on societal morality.
I understand that not everyone buys into, experiences or believes in God and I agree, that's kinda why I hang out here man
to answer and retort on other things:
"Where do god’s morals come from, and by what method or criteria can it be concluded that they are objective? "
-By my understanding and personal experience of the nature of God being Holy. I'm certain God's morals are subjective to him, but as he is outside of my known universe they're about as constant as I could fathom. That's not to say they're not mercurial, but I've not had that experience.
"species evolved to socialize and THAT, not old mythology, not old writings, but our evolution, is where we develop our sense of morality."
-is emphatically false if mythology and old writings exist and were discussed during socialization then every experience thought and input we receives changes who we are as a society and affects our subjective morality consequently.
I think that covers 90%
Please use the quote function. You are blending your quotes with mine. It makes it harder for readers to separate the two.
Again, you want to claim "God"as the objective source of morality.
You have lots of problems with that naked assertion.
1. INFINITE REGRESS
2. Which one? You are not the only one with a god belief.
3. If this alleged "God" you claim was real and the source of "objective" reality, then times would not need to change at all. We would still live under kings, still own slaves, and females would be deemed the property of the male head of the household.
Try this as a thought experiment.
Read your bible, and every time you see the word "God" replace it with "Brian37" and ask yourself if the logic still makes sense?
Then after that, try replacing "God" with "Apollo" or " Vishnu" or even "Yoda".
What would be so frightening to you if you figured out what we have? That we are finite and there is no super hero here to help us?
I am fine with being finite. I still have my ups and downs, but am no more frightened by a fictional afterlife, than I am frightened by my non-existence before I was born.
You go to a movie knowing it ends, but you still go and enjoy it. You go to a music concert knowing it ends, but you still go. You go to a sporting event knowing it ends but you still go and enjoy it.
Our planet is 4 billion years old. Humans in our current forum have only been around roughly 200,000 years. Human writing has only been around roughly 10,000 years. And our planet has had 5 mass extinction events in that 4 billion year period. And that is also in a universe of 13.8 billion years old, in a universe of roughly 2 TRILLION galaxies.
Sorry, but I see nothing in life that is magic, much less our morality. I do see good, and empathy sure, but no magic, no super hero. I only see humans who can, when they want to, grow to understand the universe without old claims.
