Christian morality delusions

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Reltzik, I don't remember the context either and I try not to prostelitize, I don't want my peepee smacked, but I do like questions.

Sorry for the edit but more things flooded in which they might this time as well. Anywho,

"How is objective morality knowable, either in its existence or its content?"
-consistent subjective observation and testing.
"By what means do we distinguish between objective morality and universal morality?"
-We don't I don't think universal morality exists now
"But if large numbers of people believe a certain way, how could we tell whether that was because it was (approaching) universal morality or because of objective morality?"
-Let's just use societal morality as approaching universal. It would be hard to distinguish between societal morality influence (In a large group like believers) of personal morality if a universal morality influenced the subjective morality as well, but not impossible. Common to most religion is the idea of a creator and that something created us. We may disagree on the particular aspects of the how, why and when, but I believe it passes universally enough to be objective.
"What is the distinction between objective morality and God's subjective morality?"
-God as an outside the universe observer has a different perspective than finite beings in the universe. His perspective on his nature would then be subjective to Him and objective to finite beings, plus I was asked so hence the more detailed description on the morality of God.
"Would that also count as objective morality?" Yes
"could count as objective morality?" I suppose a flying spaghetti monster outside of the universe could also be considered objective.

Jor, (Is that what you prefer to be called, I'm just working on getting familiarized with people and their preferences)

That nature is by definition not arbitrary. His nature is defined in scripture and through experience. His nature constrains his actions no more than your do you. You could never not be you even though who you are changes. It has nothing to do with free will. Volition and choice are free and how we were made in his image.

You don't have to tell me. I agree morals of a determined automaton are not moral nor are arbitrary morals. I agree Morality requires a free agent. You can act morally. God can act morally to. It's not arbitrary, it may not be fully understood (I believe you're heading into the PoE, which would be for another thread) but not arbitrary.

I'm not aware of "And finally, it is inconsistent with accepted metaphysics to assert that anything has a nature possessed of a moral dimension." so I'd like you to elaborate more on this if that's ok. I'm a little lost on that one.

"God, if he is a moral agent, is fully contingent, capable of good, evil, and arbitrary morals, and there is no way to differentiate the list, if they even are differentiable." - I disagree with. God is fully contingent and capable, but not arbitrary. A creator God is intentional as well by His very nature, not arbitrary.


-I'll have to review the three that came in while I was typing tomorrow and probably get no work done. And no I will not use quotes for ne person to quote 7 responses and give each one their due retort would be an immense amount of work. I appreciate the conversation though peeps