(November 20, 2018 at 11:40 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: LOL, no...but it's a fun thought! Birds lack our discernment..but if they possessed it... then yes, it would stand to reason that were there moral facts, there would be moral facts relevant to bird life as well. In the meanwhile we posit moral values for things having to do with birds. If I grabbed a bird by the legs and beat it's head over a rock for the sheer lulz of it that might lead some folks to make a moral proclamation about me, no?
However, what I was referring to..is that the contention of moral facts is not in any way obviously different from the contention that there are bird facts. Or shoe facts. Or door facts. Or...you see where I'm going..I;m sure. Does that bring any clarity?
-ultimately, there may not be...but if that's so...one immediately has to reassess their case for bird facts, shoe facts, door facts, etc.
Sorry, still not making the connection. Don't see too much mind independent judgement in door facts, it's more like mind independent descriptive facts.
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