Christian morality delusions

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I did, yes, because there's nothing preventing a society from aligning itself with an objective morality.
We have subjective and disparate motivation to follow any moral schema, objective or not.  A persons personal morality can, like a societal morality, align itself with an objective moral schema. 

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OK agreed that a person or society can align itself with an objective morality

I think..that you're thinking sloppily, not that you're not thinking at all. More importantly, I can (and have) shown that to be the case. 

Ok duely noted. My thinking is probably sloppy and loose because this is just a discussion, you probably have proven that sufficiently but the point is moot because it doesn't speak to the argument, which we apparently agree on

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OFC the things that society tells us to do is an insufficient objective measure..but no more or less so than the things a god tells us to do or the things that any other rando tells us to do.  Nevertheless, it's possible for a society to tell us not to do x for some objective reason.  For example..our society tells us that waltzing over to the neighbors yard and beating him to death is wrong because of the harm it causes.  This harm is no mere opinion...not of society, not of a god, and not of any individual...though, obviously, we all have opinions about it. 
As I've been explaining, your use of every one of these terms is not consistent with their very definitions.  Societal morality is not made "other than objective" on account of it being societies morality.  Morality is not made subjective on account of people having opinions about it, either.  And some being or entity is not made an objective moral authority on account of it existing, or existing outside of and before all the reast of it;s creation. 
That's not how any of this works. 

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K I see your point. What makes Objective morality objective is having mind independent facts of a moral matter, not is particular characteristics or location, n'est-ce pas? This part I could probably agree with as a qualifier if you list some societal mind independent facts of a moral matter that make a societal morality objective with respect to a subjective morality.

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OFC it is, but moral failure is not in and of itself a barrier to the existence of an objective morality or proof that every moral proclamation -is- an example of moral failure.  The christian god is a moral failure..and yet we can still contend that there is an objective moral standard in a universe in which it exists. Repeat again with societies and people.  Referencing the moral failures of the past..a huge portion of which have to do with the various gods people have believed in...is just a case in point.
There is, again..just the one thing involved in objective morality.  Are there mind independent facts of a moral matter.  No matter where we find those..in societies morality, in a persons morality, in the morality of a god...they would be examples of an objective morality.  That is -the- objective moral standard.  That's the entire premise of objective morality.  Would it be nice to have that?  Yes, I think so..and I think that we do, even if we don't have a perfect score when it comes to working that out..or, even when we do, acting in accordance with it...and even if possessing it might cause shittiness, at times...like those instances that I point out that the christian god is a moral failure.

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k so we agree there could be an objective morality, but it's not necessary. We already have an objective morality to personal morality. That it would be nice if whatever objective morality we use is were consistently proven moral and were communicated clearly and rigorously enough that it stood the test of time and misinterpretation. Is there common ground there at least?

OK, well that's a different take on what I normally hear. And I hear theists talking and quoting a lot of biblical absurdities, which if I understand them right, are used as the word(s) and deed(s) of god. For instance, I hear that it can make pigs suicidally insane and have bears kill children.
I really don't care if you believe, I live in a world of very diverse god(s) believers. I hear contradictory things from different believers on a routine basis. I'd think that the holy spirit and the bible would be communicating the same messages, after all, it is a god.
Maybe you can understand why I find so little validity in the belief itself (and the consequential justifications that get attached), and find more validity in the people, with or without a god influence.
Edit: When you get time I'd like to hear about your experimental observations and any subsequent conclusions.

Yes Min and wyzas, then if you define omnipotent as simply all-powerful or able to create anything then God is not all powerful, I definitely concede that. I appreciate the concern for me painting myself in a corner. I do not believe God is absolutely omnipotent to create or do anything that can be expressed in a string of words even if it's illogical. I believe God can do anything that is possible according to His nature within our universe.
Here's a thought experiment: Close your eyes ad envision a blank page with which to create your drawing. Now I'm going to tell you what to draw and you tell me how it's drawn. I want you to draw a triangular circle. It's logically impossible.
God can create a pig AND a horse, can turn a pig INTO a horse, but can't make a horse that IS a pig, because it would then be a pig.
To your other point, I can see lots of reasons why atheists find very little believability in religious belief. It's confusing as hell, even if we start of with just the sheer variety of opinions and options. I think you should base your validity in something you don't perceive by vetting the principles and people.

I mean I look at it this way. If there were a small isolated tribe of color blind pigmies and they all looked at a big red fire engine they wouldn't believe their definition of Red were any different than a non-color blind pigmy from a neighboring tribe. You'd be hard pressed to get them to believe that their red isn't really red without an outside perspective. As far as my personal experiencesand testimony, that can be for another time and thread, or maybe even PM out of the respect of this being an atheist forum and the recent turmoil. No need to jump right into I believe in fairy tales for X, Y and Z... too soon

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