RE: God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe
November 24, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2018 at 12:15 pm by blue grey brain.)
(November 24, 2018 at 12:44 am)Belaqua Wrote:(November 24, 2018 at 12:32 am)blue grey brain Wrote: This universe is by far, theistically describable as not the best God could create,
Maybe we should clarify some things first -- I'm not sure what you're saying here.
When you say that our universe is "not the best God could create," what standards are you using to say that it could have been better? What is better and worse, when we pass judgment on universes?
I can certainly agree that it could have been better for me. I mean, I'm having stomach problems these days. But that would risk exaggerating my importance in the scheme of things.
Quote:and in theistic theory, God would have in his supposed omnipotency, created far better, far more valuable things.
Which "theistic theory" are you thinking of here? There are a lot of them. Some of them attempt explanations as to why a certain amount of human suffering is actually better, universe-wise.
And value...? Most atheists think that value is assigned by humans. It's not an intrinsic aspect of the universe. So how do we say with confidence that from God's point of view the universe could have had more value? Maybe more value for me, sure, but I'm not God.
Actually, there's a recent concept called teleonomy, which talks about nature using purpose driven language.
The militant atheist Richard Dawkins recently introduced archeo and neo purpose as well.
So Science also says something about purpose or function. Maybe I'll make a next post on that one day.
(November 24, 2018 at 12:53 am)ignoramus Wrote: BGB, simple. Because for those theists who've swallowed the prepackaged/for mass consumption version of what "god" is, then it is because it says so right there in the bible.
Do not question the bible or its legitimacy. It was never meant to be criticized! Otherwise we may as well just watch the emporer and his clothes cartoons instead.
I'm not arguing against this universe being special in the Christian doctrine, I'm simply pointing out that it wouldn't be as special as theists would like to think, in fact, it would be infinitely less special than the infinitely better things the supposedly omnipotent God would have already created.
